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Who is the eighth King? 2nd part...
Jul 12th, 2009 at 5:43am
 
2nd part of two part article...
16 And he causeth ALL, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the bond, that there be given them a mark on their right hand, or upon their forehead;
17 and that no man should be able to buy or to sell, save he that hath the mark, even the name of the beast or the number of his name. " Revelation 13:11-17 (A.S. V. B.)
These two lamblike beasts, that spoke like a dragon, are obviously, puppets, or emissaries of their Eighth King; delivering, the messages about the changes in time and in laws. These times now, are very cruel and oppresive, as are these new laws. No one has ever seen times such as these, or laws as oppressive as these new laws, delivered by these two lamblike in appearance, but in actuality, satanic in nature, as is their Father, the devil; who is the unseen power behind all of changes in times and laws. Putting him, at last, on the Throne, to rule the entire World, such as has, always been his main ambition. Anyone, at this time, who fails to display the mark of the Beast, will likely very quickly be killed. As we might expect, Daniel mentioned these changes in times and in, law, as we note:
24 "All ten of those horns are kings
who will come from this kingdom,
and one more will follow.
This horn will be different
from the others,
and it will conquer
THREE OTHER KINGS.
25" This king will speak evil
of God Most High,
and he will be cruel
to God's chosen ones.
He will try to change God's Law
and the sacred seasons.
And he will be able to do this
for a time, two times,
and half a time." Daniel 7:24-25 (C.E.V.)
Now, we have a picture as to what this Eighth King will be like; what he will accomplish for a brief time period. Before I proceed any further with this, I would like to focus on this seven headed Beast out of the sea, to ascertain what they picture in their entirety. Note the following:
The Beast from the Sea
1 "And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore. {Isaiah 57:20} Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, HAVING TEN HORNS and seven heads, and on his horns were ten diadems, and on his heads were blasphemous names."
2 And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority.
3 I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast;
4 they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?"
5 There was given to him A MOUTH SPEAKING ARROGANT WORDS AND BLASHEMIES and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him.
6 And he OPENED HIS MOUTH IN BLASPEMIES AGAINST GOD TO BLASPHEME HIS NAME AND HIS TABERNACLE, that is, those who dwell in heaven."
7 It was also given to him TO MAKE WAR WITH THE SAINTS AND TO OVERCOME THEM, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him." {Revelation 13:1-7} {Daniel 7:4-6} Now, some will argue that this wounded head in question here, was Rome, or some other ruling authority from the distant past. That is impossible though because this beast with the ten horns was the fourth and last ruling world power to exist on this earth, in our own time period; so it would have to be the World-Wide Ruling Powers existing on our earth, right at this present moment in time. It could be no other!

As for these seven heads, and what they picture! These are Satan's seven ruling dynasties of Kings, in their continuing forms, all down through history, beginning with Egypt! Following Egypt, Assyria! Next in line, Babylon! Following Babylon, Medo-Persia! Following Medo-Persia, Greece. Next in line, Rome, following Rome, the European, Asian, and African, as well as the British American World Powers of today. These are the the last ones to dwell on this earth. These are the Ten Toes of Daniel's dream image. There are your seven heads, and Ten Toes, in their entirety. This is Johns rendition of this Beast out of the sea.

[6.] As for the, Lion, Bear, and Leopard! These picture the sucessive Kingdoms of Babylon- Medo-Persia, and Greece; occupied today, by, Iran, Iraq, and Syria/Lebanon. We notice, both Daniel and the Apostle John are discussing these same four beasts, but, look closely, you will see, they are in the reverse order. The reason being Daniel is looking forward, while John is looking backwards in time. Still, they are the exact same Beasts. Daniel 7: 1-7,17 - Revelation 13:1,2 - "As for the Ten Horns, they do not as yet have a Kingdom! That will come later on.
Daniel 7:1-7 (N.A.S.B.} Daniel expressed it in this manner:
The Beast from the Sea
[7] "And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore. Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having TEN HORNS and seven heads, end
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Reply #1 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 9:30am
 
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Reply #2 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 10:29am
 
Hello Wizard!
Sorry! I wasn't exactly certain where to post that article. If I caused you any problems in moving it around, it was merely an oversight on my part. Some of these Boards I find somewhat confusing. Not the fault of the Board Moderators though; my own, for not being all that well versed on these Computers, nor these Boards.

What I'm going to have to do at some point in time, is set up my own Board. For me though, that will be a monumental work, to say the very least. Anyway, sorry for any inconvenience I might have caused you. Shiner2
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shiner2 wrote on Jul 12th, 2009 at 10:29am:
Hello Wizard!
Sorry! I wasn't exactly certain where to post that article. If I caused you any problems in moving it around, it was merely an oversight on my part. Some of these Boards I find somewhat confusing. Not the fault of the Board Moderators though; my own, for not being all that well versed on these Computers, nor these Boards.

What I'm going to have to do at some point in time, is set up my own Board. For me though, that will be a monumental work, to say the very least. Anyway, sorry for any inconvenience I might have caused you. Shiner2



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Hi Anna Lee, you are very welcome and I hope you enjoy it here. Only thing is, you'd be a lot better off introducing yourself where newcomers do in the Lounge. (Not too many people have been coming to World Religions that much lately, anyway.)  Smiley
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Reply #6 - Nov 7th, 2009 at 2:20am
 
shiner2 has quoted the following verses of the Revelation on Jul 12th, 2009 at 5:43am:
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24 "All ten of those horns are kings who will come from this kingdom,  and one more will follow. This horn will be different from the others, and it will conquer
THREE OTHER KINGS. 25" This king will speak evil of God Most High,  and he will be cruel to God's chosen ones. He will try to change God's Law and the sacred seasons.
And he will be able to do this for a time, two times, and half a time." Daniel 7:24-25 (C.E.V.)

We believe that no one’s interpretation of the Words was credible except that of the Promised One, the Manifestation of God, Who would clarify them in His return. To this testifies the following words of Daniel and the verses of the Qur’an:

“And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end”. (Daniel, 12:9).

“He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations - they are the substance of the book- and others (which are) allegorical. But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it. none knoweth its explanation save Allah. And those who are of sound instruction say: We believe therein; the whole is from our Lord; but only men of understanding really heed”. (The Qur'An, 3:7).

The interpretations revealed after the Time of the End, is the Revelation of Baha’u’llah. The Divine Prophecies are distinctive from those of man for its inclusiveness and being logic. The following is a part of the interpretation of ‘Abdu’l-Baha in the “Commentary on the twelfth chapter of the Revelation of St. John" which reconciles the prophecies of the Jews, the Christians and the Muslims for the Time of the End:       To be continued
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Reply #7 - Nov 7th, 2009 at 2:23am
 
“…………Verses 3 and 4. "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth."[1] These signs are an allusion to the dynasty of the Umayyads who dominated the Muhammadan religion. Seven heads and seven crowns mean seven countries and dominions over which the Umayyads had power: they were the Roman dominion around Damascus; and the Persian, Arabian and Egyptian dominions, together with the dominion of Africa -- that is to say, Tunis, Morocco and Algeria; the dominion of Andalusia, which is now Spain; and the dominion of the Turks of Transoxania (This vast and fascinating part of the world comprises the five ex-Soviet Central Asian republics of Kazakstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan). The Umayyads had power over these countries. The ten horns mean the names of the Umayyad rulers -- that is, without repetition, there were ten names of rulers, meaning ten names of commanders and chiefs -- the first is Abu Sufyan and the last Marvan -- but several of them bear the same name. So there are two Muaviya, three Yazid, two Valid, and two Marvan; but if the names were counted without repetition there would be ten. The Umayyads, of whom the first was Abu Sufyan, Amir of Mecca and chief of the dynasty of the Umayyads, and the last was Marvan, destroyed the third part of the holy and saintly people of the lineage of Muhammad who were like the stars of heaven.
[1 Cf. Rev. 12:3-4.]  To be continued
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Verse 4. "And the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour the child as soon as it was born."[1] As we have before explained, this woman is the Law of God. The dragon was standing near the woman to devour her child, and this child was the promised Manifestation, the offspring of the Law of Muhammad. The Umayyads were always waiting to get possession of the Promised One, Who was to come from the line of Muhammad, to destroy and annihilate Him; for they much feared the appearance of the promised Manifestation, and they sought to kill any of Muhammad's descendants who might be highly esteemed.[1 Cf. Rev. 12:4.]

Verse 5. "And she brought forth a man child, Who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron." This great son is the promised Manifestation Who was born of the Law of God and reared in the bosom of the divine teachings. The iron rod is a symbol of power and might -- it is not a sword -- and means that with divine power and might He will shepherd all the nations of the earth. This son is the Bab.
Verse 5. "And her child was caught up unto God, and to His throne." This is a prophecy of the Bab, Who ascended to the heavenly realm, to the Throne of God and to the center of His Kingdom (martyred). Consider how all this corresponds to what happened.   To be continued
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Verse 6. "And the woman fled into the wilderness" -- that is to say, the Law of God fled to the wilderness, meaning the vast desert of Hijaz, and the Arabian Peninsula.
Verse 6. "Where she had a place prepared of God."  [1 Cf. Rev. 12:6.]. 
The Arabian Peninsula became the abode and dwelling place, and the center of the Law of God.
Verse 6. "That they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days".
In the terminology of the Holy Book these twelve hundred and sixty days mean the twelve hundred and sixty years that the Law of God was set up in the wilderness of Arabia , the great desert: from it the Promised One has come. After twelve hundred and sixty years that Law will have no more influence, for the fruit of that tree will have appeared, and the result will have been produced.
Consider how the prophecies correspond to one another. In the Apocalypse, the appearance of the Promised One is appointed after forty-two months, and Daniel expresses it as three times and a half, which is also forty-two months, which are twelve hundred and sixty days. In another passage of John's Revelation it is clearly spoken of as twelve hundred and sixty days, and in the Holy Book it is said that each day signifies one year. Nothing could be clearer than this agreement of the prophecies with one another.  To be continued
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The Bab appeared in the year 1260 of the Hejiraof Muhammad,which is the beginning of the universal era-reckoning of all Islam. There are no clearer proofs than this in the Holy Books for any Manifestation. For him who is just, the agreement of the times indicated by the tongues of the Great Ones is the most conclusive proof. There is no other possible explanation of these prophecies. Blessed are the just souls who seek the truth. But failing justice, the people attack, dispute and openly deny the evidence, like the Pharisees who, at the manifestation of Christ, denied with the greatest obstinacy the explanations of Christ and of His disciples. They obscured Christ's Cause before the ignorant people, saying, "These prophecies are not of Jesus, but of the Promised One Who shall come later, according to the conditions mentioned in the Bible." Some of these conditions were that He must have a kingdom, be seated on the throne of David, enforce the Law of the Bible, and manifest such justice that the wolf and the lamb shall gather at the same spring..........” (Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p. 69).
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